Living the Christian Life Is Not About You

What it takes to live the Christian life:

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  2. And if Christ IS actually living in you, and you in him, you WILL live just like he lives, walk even as he walked, righteously and godly, in obedience to the Father, IN THIS PRESENT WORLD. No known or willful sinning AT ALL. From personal experience, I can joyfully testify that it has happened to me, and I am now FREE from the death spiral of “sin, repent, sin, repent” which is NOT life at all, but death.

    Most professing Christians are denied this truth and kept in bondage to sin all their sad lives. Christ cannot sin, cannot live with sin, and never partakes of sin. So to say that he lives in you while you can yet sin, is to spit in his face, and deny him in this world.

    Jesus died horribly to give you remission of sins that are PAST, and rose again in power to give YOU the same ability he has to walk in neness of life, free from sin. In him is NO darkness at all, in him is NO SIN. So if you live IN HIM, the same will be true of you, without any “magic cloak” to cover present and ongoing sinning. Jesus Christ was manifested to take away our sin; NOT “cover it up” so his OMNISCIENT (all-knowing and all-seeing) Father “couldn’t see it”!! What a filthy lie to keep people bound in sin, while disabling their conscience from feeling the guilt they ought to feel!!

    Oh, please seek true freedom in Christ, and forsake the lies that have kept you enslaved to sin! We are promised a whole new heart, one that only wants to please the Father, just like Christ. Give him the glory that is DUE unto his name!!

    • Tim says:

      You presently live a perfectly sinless life? None of the New Testament writers described such a person in their experiences and circles of fellow believers.

      • To what I KNOW, I do. God does not impute unknown sin to anybody, but he certainly imputes known and willful sinning, which I do NOT do, thanks to BEING CLEANSED HERE AND NOW, as you yourself say. And ALL the NT writers say this is the life we are to live. Granted, many fellow believers did not, but they were expected to.

        • Jeannie Prinsen says:

          I really have trouble with this line of reasoning. God won’t blame us for unknown sins, but he’ll blame us for ones we’re aware of? Where does Scripture make this distinction? What would be an example of an unknown sin?

          Also, I’m wondering if you are part of a church or community that are likeminded to you and who are all able to avoid committing any known sins – or are you walking alone in this sinless status? Not trying to be accusatory, just wondering.

        • Tim says:

          Jeannie, the OT sacrifice system not only held people responsible for unknown sins but provided an annual sacrifice for them. Jesus is the once for all sacrifice for those too.

    • Tim says:

      Also, here’e something on what the Bible really says about the fact that Jesus does not merely hide our sin from the Father’s eyes, but cleans us here and now for all time: Jesus Doesn’t Hand Out Dirty Underwear.

      • I read your article, and that hymn is also one of my favourites. What your article says is true, but NOT if you keep sinning. Your robes are white UNTIL you sin knowingly (in ways you know) again. My testimony is that the words of this hymn can be lived out in someone’s life, and to live in Christ IS to live free from sin. Anyone read Romans lately? To deny my testimony as “impossible” and untrue is to make God himself a liar. When he says “all things are made new, old things are passed away,” it is not just in theory, but in actual reality FACT. Too many believers don’t believe.

      • Jeannie Prinsen, there are two MAJOR places where the NT warns believers not to go back into sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth and through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. One is Hebrews 10:26-29, and the other is 2 Peter 2:20-22. To do so is to trample under foot the Son of God and do despite unto his blood. 2 Peter 2 is actually a scathing description of “believers” who do not believe, and who “cannot cease from sin”. Meaning, we are EXPECTED to cease from sin, and with the power of the Holy Ghost in us, we CAN: and if we can’t, this shoe would fit…

        And praise the Lord, we just found a tiny group of believers who do believe and live the same way. It has taken a long time, because there are not many (Jesus said FEW there be that find it), so we were walking alone for a while. But walking alone does not mean wrong thinking, if one is basing their walk on the pure word of scripture. The remnant is going to be SMALL, hence it being called a “remnant”.

        We hope more people can hear this liberating message before the day of judgment comes…

        • Tim says:

          The sin discussed in Hebrews 10 is the rejection of Jesus’ sacrifice and the return to Old Covenant sacrifices and laws. Peter is talking about false prophets and the sin of spreading their lies, not Christians who sin.

          Please use scripture correctly.

        • And who is a false prophet but anybody who believes and teaches lies? Or someone who denies the power of Christ to completely change a life, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness, so we can be HOLY and WITHOUT BLEMISH?

          But suit yourself, Tim. How about you follow your own thinking, and what you’ve been taught in “Semetary,” and I’ll follow the word of God, and what it teaches: you live your own life the best you can as “one train wreck after another,” and I’ll live mine in true victory over sin by the grace of Jesus Christ: and we’ll see, when Jesus comes to judge the quick and the dead, who was right. OK?

          Personally, when my own “Christian” life was “just one train wreck after another,” I had NO peace with God. But now I have REAL peace with God, having been washed in the blood of the Lamb, regenerated, and set FREE FROM SIN!! Ain’t nobody gonna steal that away from me!!

        • Tim says:

          I haven’t been to seminary but I do have God’s wonderful peace in my relationship through Christ.

        • Tim says:

          P.S. Using the word “semetary” as a tug against those who have attended violates this blog’s comment policy. It’s also unkind, which is the opposite of displaying the fruit of the Spirit. Such willful conduct is a sin, right?

        • Wow!

          I say “semetary” because these places usually bury the truth deep under mounds of man’s doctrine; not to shame anybody for having been there!! But more as a warning…

          And, no, speaking the truth, even though others don’t like it, is NOT sin. However, if that word violates your own rules of comment policy, I will apologize for using it on your board.

          By the way… some of the truths Jesus spoke would surely have been judged as “unkind” by today’s standards. He spoke some hard truths, which offended many…

  3. Susan L Parker says:

    This person may have heard awkward explanations of how Jesus covers all our sins so that God cannot see them. That goes against the omniscience of God, and is not a good explanation. But he has then gone headlong into the idea that because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we as Christians will live sinless lives. This is impossible for any of us this side of Heaven. And this man says he is doing so, and attempts to use guilt over the fact that the rest of us fon’t do the same, in order to persuade us to believe him. So…he is displaying pride as well as whatever sin it is when you guilt-trip someone. That is my take on it. I could be wrong about his sins. But I am not wrong about his inability to be sinless.

  4. Charity says:

    Romans 7:25-8:1 “So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”

    1 John 2:1-2 “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”

    Philippians 3:12-14 “Not that I have already obtained this or have already reached the goal; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Beloved, I do not consider that I have made it my own; but this one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the heavenly call of God in Christ Jesus.”

    We are no longer under Law, but gracefully included into the family of God and given the Holy Spirit to dwell within us. The Holy Spirit empowers us to live the life Christ died to give us, and we now have the power to overcome temptation. Praise God!

    But, even with this power, we are still living in the flesh even if we are striving not to live according to the flesh. That means from time to time we will find ourselves in a place of failure. When we do, Paul says we are not under condemnation, and John tells us we have an advocate. Paul tells us in Philippians that the thing to do is leave the past behind and continue to move toward the goal, recognizing that we are not yet perfect.

    Claiming to be sinless is a trap. It keeps us from true repentance because we find ways to justify our sinful attitudes and actions. I have seen it happen, fits of rage called “human weakness” instead of sin. Lust called “human weakness” instead of sin. Arrogance and condemnation of others, hypocrisy called “human weakness” instead of sin.

    If one were able to walk 100% of the time in perfection, why did none of the apostles or even Paul himself claim to be sinless?

    1 John 1:8-10 ” If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he who is faithful and just will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

    • Tim says:

      The lack of any New Testament example of a sinless person other than Jesus is very telling, Charity. Thanks for the scriptures and the thoughts.

      • Jesus commanded his followers to “be perfect, EVEN AS your Father in heaven is perfect”. Matthew 5:48 Nowhere does the bible say “sinless”; that’s a word used to shame true believers who believe and testify that they can live without known sin. Bible perfection, which I have already explained in other words, is walking perfectly to WHAT YOU KNOW. And with the power of the Holy Ghost, it IS POSSIBLE, but only to those who believe…

        • Tim says:

          Where does the New Testament differentiate known and unknown sin. The Old Testament says unknown sin must be atoned for. (Lev 5:17, for example.)

          Jesus is the final atoning sacrifice once for all, rendering the Old Covenant sacrifices for both known and unknown sins obsolete. So whether you sin knowingly or unknowingly there is still a price paid, and Jesus paid it all already.

          So, CW, if you sin unknowingly you still sin. There is no pass mentioned anywhere in the Bible for unknown sins separate from known sins. Both require sacrifice. By God’s grace Jesus paid it all.

    • This is exactly the very teaching that kept me in bondage to sin for over 40 years. It’s very sad that so many believers cannot hear the truth. Even when I was in bondage to sin by the doctrine these very verses support, I could READ, and when I read the pure word (KJV), I could SEE, and also BELIEVED, that something better was available, but I just didn’t understand how to receive it. When God sent a truth preacher to me, who preached what I have told you, the Lord did a miracle, and not only did I understand, I could now walk in perfect victory over all known sin!

      THAT is called being “born again”, and none of you quoted anything from 1 John 3, even accusing me of not having scriptural evidence for my claim. Well, here is ample evidence. My emphasis added. Notes in parentheses.

      1 John 3:3-10 “And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, EVEN AS he (Christ) is pure. Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to TAKE AWAY our sins: and IN HIM is NO SIN. (People claim all the time to be “in him”!) WHOSOEVER ABIDETH IN HIM SINNETH NOT: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous EVEN AS he (Christ) is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might DESTROY THE WORKS of the devil (sinning). Whosever is BORN OF GOD DOTH NOT commit sin; for his seed (Christ) remaineth in him: and he CANNOT SIN, BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD. In this (whether or not one commits sin) the children of God are manifest (made known), and the children of the devil:”

      If you still do not believe that a truly born again person who abides IN Christ CAN and DOES live without any known sinning, then you have made GOD a liar, not me. 1 John 5:10 “…he that believeth not God hath made him a liar, because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.”

      And by the way, it’s always the ones who preach FOR sin who make excuses for sinning; not the ones who preach FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

      • Tim says:

        He also says in chapter one that we do sin and are forgiven for it. Peter says to his fellow Christians that love covers a multitude sin, do he recognizes the presence of sin in a believer’s life and the way of Christ to overcome it. John 3 must be read in context with other passages like these concerning sin and those who are in God’s kingdom.

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